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March 16, 2008
Libertarians don't know economics, part something of an ongoing series...
Draginol has another uninformed rant up at his site.
Similarly, there's an ever increasing effort to have the top 1% pay more and more of the taxes than ever before. Even today, the top 1% pay 20% of the taxes. And in a democracy, who is to argue what is "fair"? If 51% think it's "fair" that 1% pay 20% or 30% or 50% of the taxes, the 1% are basically screwed right? Not so in a globalized economy.
It truly is amazing how much "wrong" you can shoehorn into a statement where 100% of the facts are correct, and still not be right. To sum up: Draginol is claiming that it is unfair for the top 1% of wealth-earners to pay 20% of the taxes. What he fails to acknowledged, or perhaps even know, is that the top 1% of wealth-earners have over 30% of the wealth.
What that means is that America has a less-than-flat tax. The poor pay more of their income than the rich pay of theirs. Is this fair? Perhaps. After all, the government is very much willing to bail out the rich when they run into financial difficulty, and cut food stamps to do it.
Wait, that's not fair.
An argument that Draginol doesn't want to pay taxes is, well, no one likes to pay taxes. But an argument that he's overtaxed and therefore would like to flee the country just sounds odd...
Posted by Andrew at March 16, 2008 08:45 AM
Comments
Some comments:
> Libertarians don't know economics, part
> something of an ongoing series...
Isn't that something of a sweeping (and arrogant) statement? For instance, I know that you have very liberal viewpoints... and yet this fact tells me absolutely nothing about your level of education in math, science, engineering, etc. The statement "Libertarians don't know economics" strikes me as conveying the same intellectual honesty as a statement like "black people don't know science".
> Draginol is claiming that it is unfair for
> the top 1% of wealth-earners to pay 20% of the
> taxes. What he fails to acknowledged, or perhaps
> even know, is that the top 1% of wealth-earners
> have over 30% of the wealth.
First: the top 1% do *not* have "over 30% of the wealth"... they have over 30% of the money. Money and wealth are very distinctly not the same thing. Conflating those two concepts is a common trick of those engaging in political rhetoric as opposed to reasoned discourse.
And that "30% of the money" figure is 100% acceptable. And that is 100% acceptable... because they either created that wealth that generated that money, or inherited it from someone that created it. They (or someone who loved them) made investements (thereby providing capital) or created goods or services that someone found value in.
> What that means is that America has a
> less-than-flat tax.
You can say that again. The other factoid that Draginol neglected to mention is that 50% of the taxpayers in America pay 96% of the taxes. (That figure was accurate as of 2004, the last year I've seen data for.)
1/2 of the taxpayers contribute 4% of the taxes... and can effectively control the taxation of the 1/2 that pay 96%. Answer this as a yes or no question: do you really find that fair?
> The poor pay more of their income than the
> rich pay of theirs.
As taxes? Not even close. The poor do not pay more taxes than the rich in either absolute dollars nor as a percentage.
> After all, the government is very much willing
> to bail out the rich when they run into
> financial difficulty...
First... while I fundamentally (and *wholly*) disagree with the gov't bailout of Bear Stearns.. that was at least partially a bailout of working-class stiffs who have their 401Ks and pensions tied up in Bear Stears. I am personally against the bailout of people who made loans like drunken lemurs, but you can hardly say the money being loaned belonged exclusively to wealthy hedge-fund managers... it belonged to your "average joe" as well.
> An argument that Draginol doesn't want to pay
> taxes is, well, no one likes to pay taxes.
I believe you're setting up a straw-man: Draginol never stated he didn't want to pay taxes... he merely pointed out that he (and many of us) pay an utterly disproportionate, unreasonable, and unfair amount of taxes.
I've never read anything written by Draginol prior to today, but I'm a great believer in hangin' a man fer what he said... not for what you wish he'd said.
> But an argument that he's overtaxed and
> therefore would like to
> flee the country just sounds odd...
Wow.
Seriously?
You don't believe that both individuals and institutions move to where they can get a better tax treatement??
Here is just one a a great many examples:
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21494049/
-- DW
Posted by: Doug Wolf
at March 18, 2008 07:04 PM
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