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December 08, 2004

I would like to associate myself with the comments from my colleague a the Washington Monthly

BUSHCO

(Which is a fancy way of saying “me too”)

Kilgore is part of a remarkable phenomenon: the radicalizing of the center left. He's part of a crowd that includes people like Paul Krugman, Al Franken, Howard Dean, Atrios, and, um, me: liberals who are basically fairly moderate in policy terms but who have been appalled to discover that what seems unthinkable actually appears to be true. The modern Republican party really does seem to want to wreck the federal government.

I am a fairly conservative guy fiscally, with a strong sense of Moral liberalism. This used to make me part of the Republican Party. Sometime around 1997 I looked around and realized that the Republicans had shifted so far to the right that I was now a Democrat. Indeed, looking back on it I realize that I was always a Democrat: in my youth I’d been sucked into believing the lies that the Republicans were telling about themselves...

So I am by default a moderate Democrat. I believe that government can solve and has solved problems. I believe that careful and judicious study of the issues is exactly what Democracy demands of us. The Republican party specifically distains both notions. While they deserve the hell they are creating within our nation, I don’t deserve to head their with them, do I?

Posted by Andrew at December 8, 2004 11:41 AM

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I've always been a centrist Democrat. Other than the Death Penalty, Clinton held perfect positions as far as I was concerned. I always laughed at people who compared Nazi's to Republicans. Now I'm shocked in my mid-30's, hardly a time to be radicalized, to find myself radicalized in a way I never thought possible. I knew something had changed when the only guy I was comfortable in the primaries was Howard Dean.

Posted by: Rob W at December 8, 2004 01:34 PM

The Republican party has consistently moved towards the center and thus into power. The Democrat party continues to move left with the departure of Clinton (B). Hillary is setting herself up as a centrist in preparation for 2008.

The Democrats are consistently loosing power (vacant in the south). They have become a party of intolerance and pessimism. The nation's poplace is more educated on the issues that make up the modern political landscape than ever before. The MSM no longer has a monopoly with the rise of the 24 hour news cycle.

If the progrssives within the Democrat party continue to run it into the ground...the Senate will be filibuster proof by 2008

Posted by: Amberite at December 8, 2004 03:30 PM

One wonders at the state of the world when such fools as this account their foppery wisdom.

Posted by: John Foelster at December 8, 2004 09:39 PM

Howard Dean, Paul Krugman and Al Franken are NOT center left.
They may, and I stress may, not be far left, known as moonbat territory, but they are certainly not center left.

Any other call on those individual's is delusional at best, and hurting oneself at least.

Go ahead, dismiss me and all the others who've been trying to put the mirror in front of the democrats. So long as the left continues to do so, and delude itself, it will _LOSE_. I don't want that, but I'd rather the center right continue to win, than allow any extreme into control. Extremes cause problems. Extreme's give things like prohibition, intolerance, and destroy critical balances.

The populace at large has handed the Democrat's it's verdict. Each seat lost, is a "mandate" from the people to straighten up, drop the far left crap, and start living in the real world. The continuous erotion of the Democrat's base voting population, the fact that more Democrat's crossed party lines this election, the fact that the biggest issue was foriegn policy (NOT moral values), All of these were calls from the populace to shape up or ship out. Ignoring them is _not_ going to get you elected.

I _want_ the Democrats to be center left. I want the Republicans to be center right. It's the strongest (and/or weakest, depending on viewpoint) form of government we can have. It means that only those things that both sides can agree on at least marginally will get through. It means no extreme's, which helps maintain balance. It means the most tolerance, the most good, for the most people. Having a weak and deluded left is hurting this country.

Rob W. Be radicalized. Go against your party's decent into political irrelevance. Quit letting your party get in bed with Michael Moore. Quit letting Sorros dictate policy. Quit letting your parties war cries be "Bush is Hitler." Quit letting waffling asshat's vote for war then turn around and cry "Wrong War..."
Stop the moonbat's who can come up with any form of conspiracy theory to explain thier loss, but couldn't come up with a winning game plan if it was handed to them by the Geek Squad from the X-files.

Force the Democrat's to put a person up for election that is an actual valid CHOICE for public service.

At least 3% of the population voted for Bush, not because they like him, or want to see another Republican in office, or because they beleived he was the next best thing since sliced bread. They voted for him because he could do the job. Maybe not well, maybe not the best way, or by making the most optimal choice, but at least he could do the Job. Kerry couldn't.

Try reading up on Zell Miller. Yeah, I know he's pariah. I know he's in the untouchable caste. But he's a Democrat that I know a whole lot of folks this year would have voted for. At least 3%.

Rand.

Posted by: Rand. at December 9, 2004 06:42 AM